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Hi, Greg here... and What the HECK have I started...?

I have been chipping away for a few weeks now at getting this veggie garden thing together. As you can see from my work diary on the garden page section of the Bottom Line Project site, I have been averaging about 2 1/2 - 3 hours each time I get out and do something. This has left me with a lot of head space to be thinking up as many excuses as I can find to justify why I should stop doing this. Things like... This is stupid, a waste of time, its not going to be cheap financially or time wise, or, I will be surprised if I break even financially, my back hurts, I have dirt under my finger nails (not good for a guitar player), I detest stepping in dog pooh, I have started way to late in the season and so many more that I won’t mention.

Probably the biggest issue I have so early on in the process is that with only just a few weeks of groceries bought and recorded in our spread sheets, I can see that the percentage that makes up the veggie portion of our spend is floating around 12 percent. Now keep in mind that part of the reason we started this project was to not only learn about our eating and spending habits, but it was to try and make some sense of the issues around the poverty situations many families are facing here in New Zealand. I can see already that if my garden is successful, its impact financially will be very small. One of the frequent comments made in some of the social media sites we visit suggested that these people who were in so called poverty should get off their lazy backsides and do something productive like... plant a veggie garden. By doing so they would supposedly save money and eat well... I say BOLLOCKS!

I have these wonderful childhood memories of my mothers veggie garden in the bottom corner of the family property. I remember eating fresh vege either straight from the garden or for dinner, and like most kids being picky about it as well. With my mum now in her 70’s, she still finds time to tend her quite large landscape garden, but when I thought about it, she has not had a vegetable patch for years now. When I called her last week for our fortnightly phone catchup, I mentioned the Bottom Line Project, the new veggie garden and the so called reasoning that people who are struggling financially should just go plant a veggie garden as a way of saving money and easing their overall situation, her first response was NOOOOO.

During our discussion, mum confirmed what I was already thinking, that there is a very long list of things you need, like sunlight, water, space, shelter, compost, materials, equipment, knowledge, skills and time in varying amounts to make a successful veggie garden work. If you want more than just a token veggie patch, one that makes a difference to a struggling families budget, then you are also more than likely going to need spare cash (quite a serious amount for those who find themselves in a poverty type situation) in order to get results. We are very fortunate in that we have most of the ingredients either in place or know where to get them from. However, for those folks who find themselves in the unfortunate situation to be classed as New Zealand’s poorest, well, they haven’t got a hope in hell.

I actually like eating veggies. In fact our entire family does really well with getting our share of both fruit and vege into our diets. We hardly ever have any of those epic dinner table battles of the will... “Eat your broccoli or there is no computer for the week.” Getting stuck in and having a go at growing my own veggie garden is about seeing if it is possible to find a way to make a difference, somehow, someway, for someone. I am committed to that task. However I significantly doubt that I will find anything of benefit for those that are financially poor. I am really looking forward to eating the fruits of my labour, but more than that, if its possible, I would really love to be able to eat my words.


Sharon
10/9/2012 02:48:25 pm

I agree Greg, If people think that they will have a full range of fruit and Veg from there Veg Garden then unless you have huge amount of commitment and space most of all, I think Veg gardens are hard work. I don't necessarily think that they always are expensive to start if you have the space and commitment. It really depends if you have the space to grow your own seedlings and dig your own Veg patch and keep the rotation going It can be cheaper money wise not time wise!! I think if you have to pay for all the materials, plants, compost, fertiliser etc etc then yes it get expensive. I think these TV shows saying families in poverty should start Veg garden they are referring to just to supply the basics I think. I actually dont believe(Not in all cases) that we have true hard core poverty in NZ. I think is is alot (again not in all cases) of bad choices people are making.

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10/9/2012 03:31:37 pm

I think Sharon that set up costs for many will definitely vary. For us, we already have things like a spade, a wheel barrow, some old irrigation stuff, a decent compost pile and some general skills, not to mention good friends who can give us advice. I am into it for over $200 already and if I am honest there will be at least that to spend, and more. I have heard that for some families this is all they have for a weeks worth of groceries and regular bills. Kind of makes it hard to get going.

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Sharon
10/9/2012 02:52:13 pm

Hey Greg can I ask (Properly a good reason!!) but why did you spend on boxing materials for a raised garden bed. When you could have just dug straight into the ground with no cost at all. And dont forget I have chook Poo here!!!

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10/9/2012 03:42:43 pm

Well its kind of by default really. The first box I built was supposed to fit in with the deck, bit of a landscaping decision. It was also meant to keep the dogs out. With splitting it into two pieces it kind of is what it is. Dogs are still a concern and the sides of the box allow me to attach something to support fencing if needed. I could have dug it straight into the ground but I wanted to stay on top of the kikuyu grass. Definitely for some straight into the ground is the best option. Thanks for the chicken poo offer as well.

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Grant
10/9/2012 05:38:38 pm

We went full on into the garden to help save on the food bills. However the year we did it was the driest and longest summer. As we are on tank water we rapidly went through the water. After the 2nd fill & $260 dollars later (Water only) we gave up on our withered unproductive plants. Some of the plants were good producers like tomatoes, Zucchini, and lettuce however when they produced the price in the shop dropped and they were really cheap. The only thing I would say is that they taste much better than the shop bought ones. We have an Apricot Tree which only produced 1 Apricot. We sliced it between 5 of us, My Son was only about 5 at the time He said he didn't like Apricots. He ate his piece and said yum it tastes different to the shop ones, can I have some more. Sadly we had to tell him there was only one.

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10/11/2012 06:01:06 am

Sounds like one of those situations where there is a bit of laughing and crying at the same time! You have raised a really good point about the cost of water here in Auckland now that it is a part of Watercare and our monthly billing. And also you are right about the peak time growing being the same as the lowest seasonal purchase price. This is part of the reason why I am keeping track of our grocery spend in a spread sheet. I really want to know the true dollar spend on veg from local stores and the true dollar spend on developing a garden. I think I might be in for a shock. Cheers.

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Helen
10/13/2012 05:44:23 pm

Hi Greg, I did a vege garden in our property a few years ago (no longer have my wonderful garden or property) and it was great. I found, however, that I couldn't grow certain things as it had full sun all day. So, my wonderful neighbour and I swapped veges, as her's didn't get enough sun for some things. So, when every one else was paying $3 per broccoli head, I swapped for beans. Also, a terracotta or plastic pot full of lettuce or cherry tomatoes is quite cheap. And they are so handy to pick them as you need them when preparing dinner.

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10/14/2012 11:14:55 am

Hi Helen, you have raised a really good point, one that I have just started to realize over the last few days. Since I have started the garden I have connected with a few people that I would otherwise not see. Had a great visit with some long time family friends, and as well as discussing their garden, walked away with a nice bag of silver beet. They also loaned me some books to look through. It seems like a garden automatically creates sharing opportunities! Looking forward to the blessings... Cheers.

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Jill Nicholls
10/31/2012 01:21:54 pm

I agree with Helen, it pays to carefully monitor when shortages are likely to occur and grow specific things for then. I have bought my first broccoli in months and at @ $3ea I think I have saved a lot through winter as I eat a lot of broccoli. I grew one which keeps on sprouting side shoots all winter long and it was great.
You may get some surprises i.e. potatoes, while comparitively less per kilo than say parsnips actually cost more long term as they are a staple and also are very 'wet'. They are one of the easiest vegetables to grow. Regarding water. Mulching a watered garden with dried lawn clippings or newspaper makes a huge difference to how much moisture is lost, for very little effort.
One cost which I haven't seen included in your spend is medical and dental costs. With a healthy diet which does not include highly processed food both these expenses should reduce considerably. I hope among your books you have one on permaculture as I find it the most productive way to produce a wide variety of food here in the southern most part of NZ.

Matt
11/5/2012 04:55:16 am

Thanks guys, this website is a fantastic idea. I am a Permaculture designer and organic farmer who has moved to suburban Waiheke so am going through similar motions to you guys re setting up gardens, water, budgets etc. Creativity is the key to success here. Recycling resources and tapping into free local resources can offer huge savings. Seaweed off the beach, local cafe's scraps, worm farms love coffee grinds as do brassicas, building site skips etc. Using scraps in compost or worm farms is a great start. Grey water is another resource to be tapped, at least for fruit trees, I also use it on veges. Important to use eco friendly cleaning and personal hygiene/ care products here. Now it can be expensive to set up a grey water recycling system off the shelf but with creativity using scavenged plastic receptacles and pipes you can make do. I want to get solar hot water installed but it is expensive and has a payback time of several years depending on use rates. So for this summer I am going to use a $25 dollar camping solar shower and if I hang it in a fruit tree to shower I will water the tree at the same time. I realise these ideas are not always convenient and often involve more time and management than expensive conventional ways of doing things but this is reality. Good design and creativity can optimise the efficiency. For families on the "poverty line" the best approach is to work with neighbors, friends, family etc share resources, especially among neighbours sharing tools etc can save money. This will also strenthen community, get people active outside, there is much fun, joy and satisfaction from getting together to grow food, many benefits that are hard to quantify financially but are significant.

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sandy
12/7/2012 03:25:19 am

Soooooo...is this garden producing yet?? Are your poor children deprived of vegetable matter because of too many weeds?lack of sunshine , too much rain all of the above ........anxious to hear/see how it's all turning out for you

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3/25/2014 09:57:11 am

Hi. I am most interested in reading your blog. I have one myself about living out of our garden (as much as is possible!) and we have found it saves us an enormous amount of money and we do it cheaply. But, yep, it can be hard work. I look forward to reading more.
Wendy @ http://quarteracrelifestyle.wordpress.com/2013/03/24/beginners-guide-to-frugal-food-gardening-1

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S.M.C
5/26/2015 07:54:14 pm

Would really like to know if you finished your raised garden bed?

Also, will you be using live compost (with worms in), once it's completed, and has a few plants?

I'm thinking of building one, exactly like yours, but on a smaller scale. And, filling it with the same things. Though, I'm wondering if potting mix would work, in-place of soil?

Suggestions?

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